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    April 17, 2010
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we begin tonight with breaking news in the homicide of 5-year-old florida girl haleigh cummings. as police announce haleigh is dead. investigators pull items for testing from the st. johns river. multiple persons of interest identified and major developments are emerging tonight. after misty croslin's grandmother appears on this show last night insisting misty croslin, tommy croslin, and their cousin joe are all involved in haleigh's death, wjxt is reporting that two cinderblocks have been pulled from the st. johns river.
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croslin's grandmother laying out multiple versions she says the croslins told her about the night haleigh vanishes. all of them ending in the little girl's brutal death. one of them that a rope attached with a brick was placed around haleigh's neck, then she's thrown into the river. after we see misty croslin on video in handcuffs standing on the dock of the st. johns river with investigators, we now learn she wasn't the only one at the river with cops. tommy croslin also bringing investigators to the very same location, where dive teams have been searching for a murder weapon. is there finally a break in the search for haleigh? and have the 5-year-old little girl's remains been found?
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>> items have been recovered at the search site. >> sources telling cnn affiliate wjxt that two cinderblocks have been taken out of the st. johns river. forensic testing now taking place. >> i'm not going to discuss the particular items that i've taken for analysis. >> the cops said there was a whole bunch of bricks about 50 feet away, but i'd never seen any bricks at all. >> people are starting to talk. >> i don't know where she is. >> people are starting to cooperate. >> there's nothing to break me on. >> i think she's come to realize that, you know, she's in trouble. >> i see a smile. >> it hurts many lives. >> first thing that i was told was that joe had killed her. >> i don't know what to believe anymore. >> what is the second version? >> i was told that misty had knocked her in the head and killed her. >> i cannot believe anything. >> who knows if any of them are true? the three have not been named official suspects or persons of interest. >> i'll take a polygraph. i did take a polygraph. >> i don't know anything about her flunking a polygraph.
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>> i mean, royally flunked it. >> he tried to make an arrest. >> i told her baby, don't cry, this is something you should have said a long time ago. >> we're trying to bring somebody to justice. >> she says that nanny, i was scared. >> this little girl right here and her family. >> bring her back. >> somebody took my little girl. >> just want our baby to come home. >> i'm not going to be in this jail forever, ma. >> i know, baby. >> they're not going to keep me locked up forever. i'm telling you. >> good evening. i'm jean casarez of the legal network "in session" on the trutv network, in for nancy grace. thank you so much for joining us tonight. major developments tonight in the homicide of 5-year-old florida girl haleigh cummings. >> cnn affiliate wjxt reporting their sources claim cops have pulled two cinderblocks from the st. johns river. >> if you recall, she said that the back door was propped open
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with a cinderblock. >> there was a brick, like a cinderblock that was holding the screen door open. >> the investigators were looking for that same cinderblock at that time. >> wrapped a yellow rope around her and carried her to the dock and tied a brick around the bottom of the -- the end of the rope. >> the cinderblocks along with other evidence have been sent to be tested. law enforcement refuses to comment. >> it's amazing how bits of the truth are woven into that story. >> that's what this is all about here today. >> you've got to stand up. >> haleigh cummings is most likely deceased. >> only one that knows is the people that was there. >> i'm going to call it a homicide. >> you think she can come home? >> of course, dad. >> this is a huge river. and we believe that she could potentially have been put in. >> it's hard to hear somebody tell you that your child or your grandchild is dead. >> the investigative team has identified persons of interest in this case. >> we've always had the same characters, the same list of suspects. >> i'm just going to say several. >> they have in remorse.
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or something. >> i will not be mentioning any names at this time. >> i'm not hiding anything. >> i didn't do it. >> i don't know where she is. >> i want to remind everyone that according to police none of the three are persons of interest or suspects. >> i want them to find haleigh too and find out who did this to haleigh. i don't care who it is. >> let's go straight out to ellie jostad, producer for "nancy grace." ellie, there is some major news coming out of florida tonight. what is it? >> right. that's right, jean. our affiliate, wjxt, that's our affiliate down in jacksonville, florida, is reporting that two cinderblocks have been pulled during that macive search in the st. johns river. that search going on for the better part of this week. now, the significance of cinderblocks would be, we heard last night from flora hollars, this is the grandmother of both misty croslin, her brother tommy croslin, as well as his cousin, joe overstreet and the grandmother laid out a scenario that she says she's heard from her relatives in florida that haleigh's body was tied with a rope, the other end, a cinderblock attached, and that
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she was thrown in that river. so if cinder blocks have been found, and authorities will not comment on anything found at this point, that could be a major development. >> now, haleigh, we do know that there was an anthropologist at the scene that was going through what was found in the river. some was discarded, some was sent on for testing. do we know if those cinderblocks were moved on for further testing? >> well, we do not know that. as far as what authorities are telling us. however, wjxt is reporting that their sources say those items have been sent for testing, that those cinderblocks have been sent for testing. so -- and we've also heard, as you know, that there was a cinderblock propping open the door in that house that night. we've also heard there was a pile of cinderblocks nearby the home where haleigh went missing. so if cinderblocks are found in that river perhaps we can get a match to cinderblocks found back at the home. >> all right. to natisha lance, "nancy grace" producer, standing by live in satsuma, florida. natisha, i know that you have
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spoken personally with flora hollars. she was on this show last night. when you spoke with flora hollars, grandma, about the cinderblock, what more did she tell you? how did she describe it? >> reporter: well, jean, just as she described it on the show, the same scenario shat that she gave. and she said there were three different scenarios, but specifically the one with the cinderblock, she said that haleigh was thrown into the river with a rope tied to a cinder block, she did not even know if she was dead before she hit the water. >> to marlaina schiavo, you have been on this case from the very beginning. you have been in the home in florida. you first talked to us about this case talking about cinderblocks, marlaina. it has been a recurring theme from the beginning of this case. talk to us about that. >> well, jean, as ellie was saying earlier, that misty, when she first told the story about the night haleigh went missing, she said the back door was
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propped open with a cinderblock. but jean, what's interesting about that scenario is ronald cummings has also said that they never used that back door. he said it was always locked. so putting together the pieces of what we're finding out now between the cinderblock and the possible murder scenes or crime scenes, rather, someone from the inside would have had to open the door from the inside, unlock it, and then prop the door open. >> especially if a little girl had to be carried out. marlaina, also, wasn't there cinderblocks in the vicinity of the home we heard about early on? >> yes, there were. there were cinderblocks. there were a pile in one area, plus when we were down there there were also just random cinderblocks sort of everywhere. so if someone wanted access to cinderblocks they definitely could find them around ronald cummings' home. >> all right. we've got a very special guest tonight. it is a member of the croslin
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family. it is a primetime exclusive. we've heard about her a lot, but we've never heard from her. and we do tonight. i would to welcome from boston, massachusetts, chelsea croslin tonight. she is the sister-in-law of misty croslin. chelsea, thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you. >> you lived in satsuma when this all happened. and i first want to ask you, since we've never heard from you, what was it like when haleigh went missing over a year ago? >> it was the worst thing i've ever been through in my entire life. >> how did you find out? >> misty called me that morning, about 4:00, and told me that haleigh was missing. and from there everything happened. >> you know, last night flora hollars, grandma, came on, and she said a lot of things. in a nutshell she said that misty, tommy, and joe have committed terrible, terrible crimes. first i want to know your reaction to all of that.
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>> i've always from day one believed that joe did have some sort of part in haleigh's disappearance. just from the different things, from the van being moved, the scratch. i don't believe that tommy and misty could do anything to harm a child. >> you were sent a letter from misty in jail. we received a copy of that letter. and that letter that misty wrote says to you, "he put me up with a knife, and he said that if he would come back he'd kill me. he told me at the house he would kill me. so i didn't know what to do." who's misty talking about right there? >> she's talking about joe. >> describe for me what she wrote in this letter in detail. it's a little hard to read. but tell us all. >> the letter basically states that she -- joe came in to steal the gun. she didn't know the gun was gone.
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when she looked for the gun, the gun wasn't there. joe freaked out and took haleigh. she said that she had seen tommy in the back door and when she looked back again he was gone. so she said she didn't know what tommy -- i don't believe tommy had a part in it. just she was implicating that maybe tommy had known joe was there. >> we're going to talk to joe's attorney in just a minute. but chelsea, what would be the motive to do that? why? >> i don't see why anybody in the world would have motive to hurt a child. >> but you must have talked with people. what do people believe the motive for anyone to do something like that? >> i don't know joe. and as far as i know, i've been told joe is crazy. so i don't know what he could do. >> and we want to say that cousin joe is not a suspect in this case.
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>> those three grandkids of mine is involved in this, and i don't know why, but i sure would like to know why. they have no remorse or something. but nobody decided to say anything until i broke tommy on the phone sunday. and yes, i'm the one that called the detectives. and yes, i'm the one that sent them to the river. you know, when i grow up,
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to protectstty aleasntheck mod or new crest pro-heah seiv cnn affiliate wjxt reporting their sources claim cops have pulled two cinderblocks from the st. johns river. >> information has been obtained by investigators that lead them to believe that haleigh cummings is most likely deceased. and i'm going to call it a homicide. >> we've told them everything that we know, but they don't want to listen. they don't want to listen, daddy. i'm telling you. >> joe overstreet is distraught over this, that he doesn't know
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where to turn and he knows he didn't have anything to do with the disappearance of haleigh cummings but believes at this point that he's being framed by people whose stories keep changing. >> they say it's not enough, it's not enough, they want more. there is no more. i tell them and tell them and tell them, and they just don't listen. >> i was told that misty had knocked her in the head and killed her and that joe and tommy got rid of her. >> according to police, none of the three are persons of interest or suspects in haleigh's disappearance. >> if i knew something, you'd know a long time ago. leave me alone. >> i just can't stand it, man. it drives me crazy. i hate they're calling me a liar. i'm not a liar. i'm telling you the truth. leave me alone. >> the sheriff said they're going to do and work as long as it takes to find this physical evidence which they believe is still there. >> this case has been going on for 14 months. people are finally starting to talk. where that's going to lead us i don't know. but we're going to follow it to the end. and yeah, we're trying to make an arrest. we're trying to bring somebody to justice for this little girl right here and her family. and that's what this is all
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about here today. >> i'm jean casarez of the legal network "in session," in for nancy grace tonight. you know, law enforcement had said on the record that they were looking for physical evidence in the st. johns river, and our affiliate wjxt is reporting tonight that two cinderblocks were pulled from the river. they have been sent now for testing. i want to go back out to chelsea croslin, who is with us tonight, the sister-in-law of misty. chelsea, you had mentioned before we went to break about a van. and i remember you talking to law enforcement early on about a van. you were using a van at that time. in florida. and that night it was borrowed by someone. is that right? >> yes, it is. it was my sister-in-law's van. >> and who borrowed it that night? >> well, i borrowed it from my sister-in-law. and when i woke up the next day, the van was parked in a different spot than i had parked it.
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so i assumed that the van had been taken from the home that night. >> do you know who drove it? >> if anybody drove it, it had to have been joe. >> why? >> because my husband was sleeping next to me. he had just been in a car accident, and he was on medication. he was asleep hours before i was. >> what about tommy? why couldn't tommy have taken the van? >> because tommy lived at least three miles from where my house was. and it was tommy's van, but he lent it to us that night. joe would have had to have taken the van from my house to go back to that neighborhood. tommy lived right next to where misty and haleigh did, about six houses apart. >> okay. i want to bring in a special guest right now. exclusively with us out of new orleans, louisiana, mr. shawn sirgo. he is the attorney representing cousin joe overstreet, misty croslin and tommy's cousin. mr. sirgo, thank you for joining us. you know, so much has been said in the last 24 hours directed
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solely at your client, joe. first of all, i want your reaction on what grandma said, flora hollars said last night. >> i really don't have a reaction to what she said because it -- it's hearsay. you have to understand, as attorneys we're trained to take evidence and look at its feasibility, its reliability. can it stand the test? and law enforcement hasn't tested this to the best of my knowledge. so it's just a statement being made by someone. and so until it's substantiated, until it's brought forward as evidence, then i really don't have any reason to want to address it to any degree. >> all right. she said that your client committed murder. those were her words. >> well, that would be surprising if she wasn't in the area at the time an alleged murder happened, and it would
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also be surprising because no one else has said that -- joe has never admitted that he committed a murder. >> misty's too good with kids. misty loves kids. she's had an opportunity to hurt them all, and she's kept every one of them. i don't believe misty had any involvement whatsoever. [ male announcer ] our cars win many awards. but the most important is the honor of being in your garage. if you're shopping for a new car, we invite you to put us to the test. and may the best car win.
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law enforcement retrieved two cinderblocks from the st. johns river, according to cnn affiliate wjxt, citing sources. >> 911. what's your emergency? >> i just woke up and our back door was wide open and we can't find our daughter. >> what is her story about what happened that night? >> she put haleigh to bed, done some laundry, went to bed, and woke up to the door propped open. >> has he ever talked to you about the night haleigh went missing? >> no, ma'am. >> have you asked him?
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>> not really. >> why? >> he just throws his hands up and says "f" it and then he'll get up and walk away. >> i'm jean casarez of the legal network "in session" in for nancy grace tonight. we are also learning that it was actually tommy that took investigators very early in the week on monday initially to that river's edge. and we also have with us tonight terry shoemaker. we're going to talk to him in just a second. he's the attorney for ronald cummings. he just returned from the jail talking to ronald tonight. i want to go to a caller. linda in maryland. hi, linda. >> caller: hi, jean. >> hi. >> caller: thank you for taking my call. >> sure. >> caller: i really admire your fair and unbiased reporting. i've got two quick questions. >> mm-hmm. yes. >> caller: number one, did joe ever take a polygraph? and number two, don't you think they must have other credible sources beyond the grandmother?
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because she just gets her information from misty and tommy. >> it's a very good question. let's go to shawn sirgo. we've got the attorney right here. he is the attorney for cousin joe overstreet. has joe ever taken a polygraph, to your knowledge? >> i have no knowledge that is viable to either acknowledge that he did or deny that he did. our involvement in this case has been turned around a little bit. initially and even up until the last time we were interviewed by florida enforcement, we were just being interviewed and being asked questions. the attack on joseph by non-law enforcement, non-official entities has prompted us to respond to media's requests to give some type of accounting for our position -- >> where was joe that night? where was joe?
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i mean, was he driving around? was he sleeping? where was he? this happened very late at night. >> he was sleeping, and he was woken up by the same phone call at approximately 4:00 a.m. and from that point he went to the hospital to see his relative who had been in an accident. and then after that went, you know, with the rest of the family to the sheriff's department, if i'm not mistaken, to discuss what was going on. they all went out and put flyers out, you know, trying to help find the missing child. sources telling cnn affiliate wjxt that two cinderblocks have been taken out of the st. johns river. cops refuse to comment. [ female announcer ] breathe right asks... [ woman ] could i ask you to strip on the street? absolutely! i have a lot of stuffiness at night. it wakes me up. i have allergies. ♪ you're right. i'm getting more air. -oh, yeah. -oh, wow! [ female announcer ] for two free samples, go to breatheright.com.
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sources telling cnn affiliate wjxt that two cinderblocks have been taken out of the st. johns river. cops refuse to comment. >> haleigh cummings is most likely deceased. >> those three grandkids of mine is involved in this, and i don't know why. >> i'm going to call it a homicide. >> they have no remorse or something. >> we're hoping to make an arrest in this case. >> they've not named any suspects in the 5-year-old's disappearance. >> however, the investigative team has identified persons of interest. >> please, all i want is my child. that's it. sorry. i just want my daughter back. >> i can't imagine what they're going through. i didn't do it. >> if they think joe had something to do with it -- >> go get his [ muted ] punk --
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and put him in jail. >> do you think misty has any i involvement in this? >> i don't think misty did. >> i didn't do anything to that little girl. i would never hurt her. >> misty croslin taken down to the dock of the st. johns. >> don't cry, baby. >> pointing out a specific spot to police. >> florida authorities flew to tennessee to question croslin's cousin, joe overstreet, for the third time. >> we told them that in the beginning. tommy even told them that he thought maybe joe whatever. >> he's being attacked. >> we know what he's talking about. he's talking about misty croslin, her brother tommy. they're both in jail. >> you know, me and tommy sitting in jail and he's just out doing whatever he wants. >> overstreet was in the area when haleigh was reported missing. >> did he see haleigh on february 9th or 10th? >> he saw her at some point. at some point he saw her. >> sorry. i didn't do it. >> you didn't do it? >> no.
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>> i'm jean casarez of the legal network "in session" in for nancy grace tonight. cnn affiliate wjxt in florida is reporting that two cinderblocks were pulled out of the st. johns river. they are now being tested. they are also reporting that -- they are wondering if this could be the murder weapon. and this just comes a day after the grandmother of misty and tommy said a cinderblock was involved in throwing the body of little haleigh cummings into the st. johns river. i want to go right now to the attorney for ronald cummings. terry shoemaker is joining us out of st. augustine, florida. mr. shoemaker, thank you for joining us. i know that you have just visited ronald cummings today, your client, the father of haleigh. how is he doing? >> considering, he's holding up quite well. you know, he's shocked by all the latest news, and he's
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anxious to finally have an end to this and find out exactly what happened. but overall, he's doing pretty well. >> can you tell us procedurally, earlier in the week we know they called the family to the jail. we know that ronald was taken somewhere. can you -- procedurally, what happened to ronald early this week when authorities came there? >> well, originally, it probably would have been around wednesday i think he was taken out of his cell and he had been in his cell on his own ever since he was arrested. he was taken over to the sheriff's office. they talked to him about what had transpired and the fact that there were some new tips that they were searching. he was then put back -- he asked to be put back into general population at that time. he has been in general population ever since then. and then last night one of the homicide detectives again came over and talked to him, gave him an update on what was going on and what they'd found and what they were hoping to find.
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>> so you're saying that he was taken from protective custody being alone, which he has been from the beginning, into general population? >> yes. yes, ma'am. and actually, that was ronald's request. he didn't feel as though he was in any danger, and he didn't think that he actually needed to be in any protective custody. and he asked to be put -- or placed back -- or into general population. >> was he united with his family on wednesday when he was told things by authorities, or was he told by himself? >> that i'm not sure. i didn't ask him if he was in the same room with his mother, and everyone else that was involved in that. his sister was there as well. so i can't answer that. >> all right. i want to go out to a caller right now. jan in maryland. hi, jan. >> caller: hello. how are you? >> i'm fine. good evening. what's your question? >> caller: i have a quick question. when haleigh first went missing, you said that misty was -- the little girl was asleep and she was doing her wash, her bed clothes. did they ever check that for dna? >> okay. all right. let's go first of all to chelsea
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croslin, since we have her with us, who lived in satsuma, was right there when it all happened. chelsea, what was the first story that you heard from misty about what happened that night? >> well, in the very beginning misty told us she didn't know what happened and that she woke up and haleigh was gone. she never gave us a story. until i heard the story about joe. >> she never gave you a story for all of those months. i want to go to pat brown, criminal profiler and author from washington, d.c., tonight. you know, the caller is talking about dna, dna of the clothes. you can touch on that, but i want to talk about these cinderblocks also. can they test them for dna? >> they're not going to find anything. they've been sitting under that water forever. the cinderblocks are an incredibly great piece about this puzzle and tells us a lot about where the crime scene went down. now, we're hearing about joe. he's in the house, and he supposedly doesn't find a gun so, he steals haleigh and runs
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away with her. and that's ridiculous because certainly if he did something to her he is not going to come back to the house to get some cinderblocks and take her down to the dock. so those cinderblocks that are coming from the house prove that the crime actually went down in the house. and the second thing i want to point out is we're talking about the door being propped open so somebody can carry a body out. well, that's just ridiculous. it's just a little teeny child and any parent can carry a child, open up a screen door and walk through it. and if you have two people someone can hold the door open and another one walks through. the cinderblock was put there to stage the crime to make it look like a stranger came in and carried out the child. >> with all those people failing so many polygraphs, and we've heard that, why do you think authorities are taking this tip seriously? >> well, they've learned -- they've gotten some if good information. obviously the cinderblocks. is now they know who's involved in the crime. they know misty, since she was in the house, had to be involved in the crime. that's the number one thing they want to know right there. and then we're going to look back at all the behaviors. we see one of the interesting things about misty is that night
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when she said that the door was open -- can you imagine you wake up in the night and you see the door's open and you're not even scared? you're not running around freaking out, you're not calling ron right away and say, oh my god, somebody's in the house? she's not even scared. ron comes home, and he doesn't even seem to -- he seems to know haleigh is already dead. he doesn't have any behaviors that show he believes she's alive. so i believe he knew already what was going on. so that's i think why the police are bringing him in to talk to him, to update him. they're letting him know, we've got more information, people are starting to talk now, ron, they're starting to talk now, ron. >> to terry shoemaker, ronald cummings' lawyer, you know, i remember ronald being hysterical on that 911 phone call. >> yes. >> and tell me if i'm wrong, but that phone call wasn't made until he got home. and we heard misty's voice. but didn't he force her to make that call? >> yes. she didn't make any calls until either she saw him pulling in the driveway or until he actually started coming in the house. and he confronted her and started asking her what was
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going on. >> right. that's what i thought. kalen in canada. hi, kalen from canada. your question. >> caller: hi, jean. thanks for taking my call. >> mm-hmm. >> caller: i just want to say my boyfriend richard and i have been following the story from the very beginning and our thoughts and prayers go out to ronald cummings and his family right now. but with that being said, in light of all the recent events, has ronald cummings made any direct statements in regards to the croslin family involvement? and question two. are they going to re-polygraph misty and tommy to get to the actual facts of who actually killed haleigh? >> all right. a lot of that is probably attorney/client privilege. so i'm going to go to natisha lance out there in satsuma, florida. what do we know about ronald cummings and what he has said about the involvement of misty, tommy, or joe? >> what we know, jean, is that he has said that he believed misty's story all this time. he hasn't said much about joe or tommy at this point that we know of. and as far as the polygraphs are concerned, we know that tommy croslin, according to his attorney, took a polygraph back
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on april 8th. we don't know the results of that polygraph test. but as far as joe overstreet and taking the polygraph test, that has not been determined as of yet. >> all right. chelsea croslin, sister-in-law of misty, you knew haleigh. tell us about haleigh cummings. >> haleigh's a very happy, spunky, outgoing little girl. she always had a smile on her face and could put one on anybody's face that came near her. >> do you remember the last time you saw her? >> yes, i do. >> what did she say to you? >> i didn't get to talk to her. she come running off the school bus with a big smile on her face, and ronald had his windows rolled up on his car. my daughter was waving out the window. yelling "hi, haleigh." and haleigh looked back and blew us a kiss, and she leaned up against the car, and then she got in the car and they drove away, and i never seen her again. >> chelsea, has the body been found of haleigh cummings? >> not -- not that i know of. no one's told me that.
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is this going from a missing persons case to a homicide investigation? >> that is a decision that will be made later. at this point i'm comfortable to go ahead and say that i'm going to call it a homicide. >> miss teresa, can we get a comment from you, ma'am? >> i just want my daughter back. that's it. that's all i want. >> i wouldn't let no one take her. i don't know where she is. >> i think she's come to realize that, you know, she's in trouble. >> she is the one that holds the key information to finding out what happened to this beautiful little girl. >> people are starting to talk. >> it's, you know, so hard to talk. it's going to hurt two people. use your head and you'll know. >> they're trying to destroy her right now. she's just an 18-year-old girl. give her a break. >> all i want is my child. that's it. i just want my daughter back. that's all.
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>> have you found haleigh? >> no, we have not found haleigh. >> show me. you know. just show me. don't tell me, show me. if you can't show me, you know, why do i believe it? >> miss hollars, you have heard now three different versions of what happened the night haleigh went missing. what is the most recent version you have been told? >> i was told by misty that tommy and joe took haleigh and wrapped a yellow rope around her and carried her to the dock and put -- tied a brick around the bottom of the other end of the rope and throwed her into the river. that come from misty's mouth into my ear. >> jean casarez of the legal network "in session" in for nancy grace. let's go to the lawyers. doug burns, defense lawyer extraordinaire out of new york, and tamara holder, defense attorney extraordinaire that i met last week out of chicago. thanks so much for joining us, both of you. first of all, doug burns.
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>> sure. >> misty croslin. if someone, in fact, put a knife to her neck and threatened her that they would kill her and her family if she ever told anything, how can that be used ultimately in a trial as a defense when misty is the defendant? >> yeah, that's a very interesting point, actually. because that would go at least to some measure in explaining why what has taken place here has taken place. jean, this has been a case from day one where law enforcement knows that basically every single word out of everybody's mouth has not been truthful. and that's why tonight the report that you're making about the cinderblocks really is, as pat brown said, a very, very significant breakthrough in this case. it's like in the scott peterson case when forensic evidence started emerging. and this is going to be, in my opinion, the turning point. but back to your original question, that's very interesting. she could raise that. >> to tamara holder, defense attorney out of chicago. if tommy is the one that took them to that pier, that boat
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dock, how will that help him in the end? >> well, you know, i don't know if he took them or if the law enforcement actually took him because he -- misty also ended up there. so i don't know where they're going. but it looks like the investigators are doing this very methodically. over 14 months they're, you know, trying to figure out piecemeal, this is a puzzle to them, very, very slowly, take me every single step of the way where you were that night. and maybe that's why they're taking them there. >> to heather walsh-haney, forensic anthropologist, florida gulf coast university, how long does it take forensically to test cinderblocks and other evidence? >> well, my specialty is studying bones, but it would depend on how busy the laboratory is and how they're going to tie the cinderblocks to those that are in the home. it can take anywhere from weeks to months to start to acquire all of those lines of data linking the perpetrators to the crime and the perpetrators to
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the victim. >> all right. to patricia saunders, clinical psychologist, out of new york. we've heard so much about cousin joe. we haven't seen one shred of evidence. but everybody's pointing fingers. what can that do to somebody, if it's false, for the rest of their life? >> well, it can certainly violate any sense of family, trust, and closeness that this guy ever had. and can even make somebody suspicious and paranoid for the rest of their lives. >> thank you so much, patricia saunders. thank you to all of our guests. and tonight, "cnn heroes." >> when i was growing up on a rural back road, family violence was an accepted way of life. >> this is my mother. and i'm the baby here. and my father and my brother richard and my sister pauline. >> my father would commonly abuse all of us. he raped me and beat my mother and my other siblings. when the neighbors heard
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dancing with the stars and ""american idol"" war. paula abdul may return to "idol." this is friday night at the top of the hour here on hln. and now a look back at the stories making headlines this week. >> a shocking story, a hollywood couple loved, apparently adored, particularly the victim. >> he's a former "survivor" producer. now he's the suspect in his wife's murder. >> he said he last saw her on monday and reported her missing on tuesday. >> the mother's body found dumped. >> on vacation down there with their two kids. >> we understand strangulation. >> he reports her missing. >> we understand there was a big blow to her head. >> he is now a suspect. >> talk of an affair. >> everybody is in shock. >> we do have a search going on at this time.
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>> i wish i knew where she was. >> accessory after the fact. >> punishable by life. >> i want to know where haleigh is at. >> clues that could lead them to haleigh cummings. >> cadaver dogs, scuba divers. >> there was more searchers following up by boat. >> information has been obtained by investigators that lead them to believe that haleigh cummings is most likely deceased. >> mystery croslin -- >> we really don't care who it implicates. >> this one i'm comfortable to say that i'm going to call it a homicide. >> if someone had something to do with it, let them fry, so be it. >> misty croslin leads them down to a river.
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>> with us is mystery croslin and joe overstreet. you have heard now three different versions of what happened the night haleigh went missing. >> she's tiny, dragged her to a dock and put a block on the other end of the rope and put her in the river. >> nobody decided to say anything. and, yes, i'm the one that called the detectives and, yes, i'm the one that sent them to the river. >> according to police, none of the three, croslin, tommy croslin, or joe overstreet are persons are interests or suspects. >> tonight, let us stop to remember navy petty officer first-class jeffrey chaney.
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